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Re: Google blocking search
ampapa wrote: TMHI-Sucks - If they've been using CGNAT all along why has it just now popped up? The issue has been only happening for the past two weeks for us, fine before then? … and why hasn't T-Mobile acknowledged the problem… ? Heck their tech support said it was our Mesh Wifi that was causing the problem and that it wasn't compatible… all I could do to not laugh! Seriously T-Mobile, get with it and fix your network… My guess is that it is a combination of more and more users being allocated to each IP, meaning that more traffic is going over each IP. It may be that it is just now tipping over the threshold set by Google for those IPs with higher numbers of users. Essentially, my guess is T-Mobile is adding customers, but not new IP addresses to the pool. Again, this is only a best guess by me as I'm not a T-Mobile employee. In terms of acknowledgement, they have acknowledged it is an issue, but have not provided any resolutions. They are also horrible with information dissemination, so their staff often has no clue.1Ver0likes0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
syaoran wrote: You could always try a different search engine. Duck Duck Go, Qwant, or even Bing or one of the many others. But that's the thing... this is just a symptom of a bigger problem. The problem is that the amount of traffic per IP address is high enough to set off Google's anti-DDOS mechanism. As more users sign up, I still believe this will spread.1Ver0likes0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
Apeters wrote: Same thing happening in Jax FL for about the last 2 weeks. Pretty annoying, I do think some of y'all need to calm down a bit... Come back to me when you've been dealing with it 10-20 times a day for nearly 3 weeks 😅. And when you actually have to solve the captchas, they are annoyingly non-specific. Like... "select pictures of motorcycles" but it actually wants you to select moped, motorcycles, and any other motorcycle-like vehicles. But the really infuriating ones are where it wants to select all the squares containing a certain item in the image... do I include the mirrors of the moped as being part of the "motorcycle"? What about the squares containing just the edge of the motorcycle? Because apparently I'm *not* human according to Google. It is an annoying game of semantics and pictionary for a false alarm that is consistently interrupting your workflow.1Ver0likes0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
henry51 wrote: @TMHI-Sucks, "I wish T-Mobile was more forthcoming with the issues that come from how their network is setup, but being honest and upfront isn't good for new membership initiatives." Would you know if this type of IP address assignment is a charateristic of all fixed wireless internet providers (e.g. Verizon and AT&T)or is it just T-Mobile? I would say you would have to research each one on a case-by-case basis, but I would expect all wireless carriers are using CGNAT, at least for their mobile customers and probably for their Internet customers as well. I believe Starlink is also CGNAT. As far as wired carriers, I also believe some are CGNAT as well, as I have heard of similar reports from users of other wired ISPs such as Spectrum and Xfinity. But I haven't done a tremendous amount of research outside of T-Mobile, honestly.1Ver1like0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
henry51 wrote: Using a web-based IP lookuphttps://www.showmyip.com/my IPv4 address is currently shown as being in East Providence, RI. Abour a week ago, for several days, it was shown as being in Baltimore, MD. I am in Vermont. However, I don't see this creatinga problem for me, except for occasionally having to change the prefillled zip code of theclosest store location on a retailer's website (e.g. Lowes or Home Depot). Should I be aware of other issues due to have an IP address 250 miles away? The only issues I have seen are for services that restrict based on geolocation of your IP. Luckily this is becoming less commonplace, but it is still pervasive. Services offering live local channels via streaming are commonly affected (i.e. Hulu Live, YouTube TV, etc). Otherwise, your IP location doesn't matter tremendously but my might see better performance from certain locations. But even that is likely to be minimal. One more note is that some online services also monitor the geolocation information and may trigger a security exception on your account if they see you connecting from multiple locations over a short enough period of time. This would include stuff like your online banking, if used. Other secure connections can be finicky, but typically just require contacting the service provider to inform them. I wish T-Mobile was more forthcoming with the issues that come from how their network is setup, but being honest and upfront isn't good for new membership initiatives.1Ver0likes0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
The way T-Mobile is using IP addresses is more akin to how postal codes work instead of how addresses work. But because it is IPv4, it is like only including your zip code in your address on outgoing mail. T-Mobile knows your "direct address", but to everyone else you just appear as your "zip code". But that is a symptom of a bigger problem.1Ver0likes0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
The other side to this is that a single subscriber that *is* sending excessive data whether that is knowingly or unknowingly (e.g. malware or botnet), then they can flag it for every subscriber that is assigned that public IP. So this could be a multi-faceted issue, but only T-Mobilecan fix this.1Ver0likes0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
The real fix for this is to transition to a true IPv6 network in which each user gets a unique IP address instead of using CGNAT, which assigns hundreds of users (or however many T-Mobile is doing) to a single public IPv4 address. To put it in perspective, there are about 3.7 billion public IPv4 addresses. However in a traditional sense, each device would need to have a single distinct IP address. With over 8 billion people on earth, that isn't practical. In the past, this was dealt with by using local addresses that were then handled through a single public address per network (which is why you can have a 192.168.1.1 on your network and so can your neighbor). From there, your router will take incoming data from the outside world and intelligently route it to the correct device in your home. This is the way it was for decades, where each individual subscriber would have a unique address. But due to IPv4 number exhaustion, T-Mobile and other ISPs have gone to a second level of routing in which they have an IPv4 address that is assigned to multiple subscribers and they act like the router in your home to send the data streams to the right subscriber (likely by using IPv6, interestingly enough). So T-Mobile can't get any more IPv4 addresses, as there aren't many left, so they are just expanding the number per public IP (conjecture on my part, but I'd wager it is pretty accurate). Thus, Google sees a ton of traffic, it triggers their protection system, and here we are. I fully expect this will expand to further sites as time goes on.1Ver0likes0ComentariosRe: Google blocking search
qraqson wrote: This is seriously still happening? My service will be canceled soon, this is an insanely simple issue that should not take a corporation as large as T-Mobile a full month to fix. This is occurring amongst several ISPs, so moving to another isn't a guarantee your issue will be resolved. Unfortunately it isn't a simple issue because T-Mobile and other ISPs have been reluctant to transition to strictly IPv6 networks. This is only going to become more of a problem as the number of users per IP increases. Google just happens to be the lowest threshold so far, but I would predict we will see more sites having this issue as time goes on. Because these sites see large amounts of traffic coming from a single IP address, they are going to default to it being abuse because they cannot differentiate between actual abuse versus hundreds of users using the same public IPv4 address. As that number expands, this is going to trigger more sites' Denial-of-Service (DOS) automatic protections. T-Mobile needs to fix it, but that need was months or years ago. Now the timetable has shifted and will continue to get worse, at least in my expectations.1Ver0likes0Comentarios